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we see to some degree a response to the last round of negotiations are obama felt like he moved to the middle too early. he didn't really get that much out of it. he's drawing a line pretty far out to the edge there. you know, there are also conversations happening back and forth that don't always reflect everything in public. a lot of what we see right now is jockeying for advantage in the media and battle of public opinion. people getting public opinion leverage. that white house offer was part of that as well. >> michael crowley, talk about big man moves. i had you as a shooting guard and stay outside and not get caught in the fray. >> what are you saying, toure? >> nothing at all. sports talk. thank you, michael crowley. >> thank you so much. >> if you liked 2012 you'll love 2016. i've said it all along, and i have more evidence hillary clinton will be the next president of the united states. we're spinning on that as "the cycle" rolls on for monday, december 3rd. [ fishing rod casting line, marching band playing ] [ male announcer ] the rhythm of life. [ whistle blowing ] where do
we see to some degree a response to the last round of negotiations are obama felt like he moved to the middle too early. he didn't really get that much out of it. he's drawing a line pretty far out to the edge there. you know, there are also conversations happening back and forth that don't always reflect everything in public. a lot of what we see right now is jockeying for advantage in the media and battle of public opinion. people getting public opinion leverage. that white house offer was...
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one of the reasons president obama's come into these negotiations from what he believes is a position of strength is because he's looking at polls that show that the majority of americans will blame a gop-held house of representatives if we do indeed go off a fiscal cliff. so he's coming into this with basically a list of demands without making any concessions. >> he'll be blamed historically. if he has a second recession on his watch, the history will be written that he presided over two recessions. that's why i refer to him as herbert hoover. [ overlapping speakers ] >> he can't play that game. he can bluff but he can't play that game. >> it's not a bluff. this is not a bluff. >> you think he would take a second recession? >> well, a second recession? >> if all the tax cuts are repealed. all of them. we're going into recession. that's why the congressional budget office said. you think he would risk a second recession that would destroy his second term? >> i think he understands the law of the land today is that everybody gets a tax increase. he's trying to give 98% of the public a
one of the reasons president obama's come into these negotiations from what he believes is a position of strength is because he's looking at polls that show that the majority of americans will blame a gop-held house of representatives if we do indeed go off a fiscal cliff. so he's coming into this with basically a list of demands without making any concessions. >> he'll be blamed historically. if he has a second recession on his watch, the history will be written that he presided over two...
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president obama in the negotiation drew a line he had yet to draw. >> we're going to have to sew the rates on the 2% go up. we're not going to be able to get deal without it. >> been no deals of this mag magnitude made in congress and forced on reluctant president. i hope the president would turn off the campaign, congratulations, you had a great victory, and let's get serious about dealing with this deficit and debt here at the end of the year. >> back to the president's comments. he had yet before to explicitly say rates had to go up on those earning $250,000 or more. that was the white house position. that is their condition now for a deal. it's in the face of what republicans want saying no rate increases; however, a little wiggle room, and the president didn't rule out a smaller rate increase than he's calling for could be a part of a final product if they get to that stage. lizly thank you very much, rich edson. david: we have a governor who says his state takes the right action to prevent falling off its own fiscal cliff and the president can learn a lot. liz: joining us now i
president obama in the negotiation drew a line he had yet to draw. >> we're going to have to sew the rates on the 2% go up. we're not going to be able to get deal without it. >> been no deals of this mag magnitude made in congress and forced on reluctant president. i hope the president would turn off the campaign, congratulations, you had a great victory, and let's get serious about dealing with this deficit and debt here at the end of the year. >> back to the president's...
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and over the weekend, there was worry negotiations may actually fail. >> i think we're going over the cliff. it's clear to me they made a political calculation. before president obama and his team are demanding that they allow bush era tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% of americans expire. >> there's no way we can govern this country with those low rates in place for future generations. those rates have to go up. >> reporter: but republicans have drawn a line in the sand in raising tax rates. instead, signaling they're open to raising revenue by limiting the tax code. it's a major sticking point. holding up a deal. >> right now, i'd say we're nowhere. >> reporter: president obama is looking for $1.6 trillion in new tax revenue over ten years. speaker boehner is offering half of that. there's $600 billion. the speaker says that's not enough. although he hasn't outlined what he thinks should be cut. if they can't avoid the fiscal cliff, it means on january 1st, every american will pay more income tax, between 2,000 to $2,200 for the average family. $500 billion in automatic spending cuts w
and over the weekend, there was worry negotiations may actually fail. >> i think we're going over the cliff. it's clear to me they made a political calculation. before president obama and his team are demanding that they allow bush era tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% of americans expire. >> there's no way we can govern this country with those low rates in place for future generations. those rates have to go up. >> reporter: but republicans have drawn a line in the sand in...
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treasury secretary tim geithner, kind of obama's negotiator man at the table. see if they can make any headway. >>> art, later this half hour, she's 50, he's 26. demi moore has a new younger man in her life. who she is dating now coming up "the skinny." interesting choice. seeing how the last relationship turned out. >> all you need to know his last name is schnabel. >> not making that up. we are not making that up. >> no. >>> but first, we begin with breaking news, powerball officials are making it official this morning. two jackpot tickets sold for last night's lottery, one in missouri and one in arizona. >> missouri and arizona. congratulations. get this. by the time of the drawing the jackpot was worth $580 million. so we should mention the winning numbers right now, here they are, 5, 16, 22, 23, 29, and the powerball, my personal favorite number, 6. abc's steve osunsami got an inside look at where the winners were picked. >> reporter: buying lottery tickets like never before, more than 189 million powerball tickets sold in this final rush. >> thanks. >> th
treasury secretary tim geithner, kind of obama's negotiator man at the table. see if they can make any headway. >>> art, later this half hour, she's 50, he's 26. demi moore has a new younger man in her life. who she is dating now coming up "the skinny." interesting choice. seeing how the last relationship turned out. >> all you need to know his last name is schnabel. >> not making that up. we are not making that up. >> no. >>> but first, we begin...
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president obama talks to the business round table today after telling bloomberg he absolutely won't bunch. the wealthiest americans must pay more. >> we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> reporter: he may be in a good position to wait it out. a new poll found more half of americans will blame republicans if we go over the fiscal cliff. >> republicans do not want to touch one hair on the head of one person making over $250,000. that is the rub. >> they've got to come with some specific revenue. they refuse to do that. >> reporter: even other republicans are split on john boehner's plan to avoid tax hikes all together and admit negotiations are going nowhere. >> nothing going on privately that's not going on publicly. >> reporter: republicans say the president needs to meet them halfway. >> he's got to be serious. he's offered more spending, more stimulus than offering any new cuts. >> reporter: and they insist there's good reason why people making over $250,000 a year should not pay more. >> when you raise tax rates, you're impacting the small businesses that create the j
president obama talks to the business round table today after telling bloomberg he absolutely won't bunch. the wealthiest americans must pay more. >> we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> reporter: he may be in a good position to wait it out. a new poll found more half of americans will blame republicans if we go over the fiscal cliff. >> republicans do not want to touch one hair on the head of one person making over $250,000. that is the rub. >>...
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that is president obama's lead negotiator in the fiscal cliff talks. it's all happening tomorrow on fox news sunday. check your local listings for the time and channel in your area. >> rick: speak of the president, we could soon be learning who he wants to have serve in his administration in his second term. source telling fox news, a slate of nominations could be coming this month and that would likely include a replacement for the defense secretary, leon panetta, and if that does happen, it will come a little sooner than a lot of people had expected. the short list reportedly includes former republican senator chuck hagel, deputy defense secretary ashton carter, michelle floroni, a top official and democratic senator john kerry >> arthel: a reported murder-suicide rocking the nfl today. police say kansas city chiefs linebacker gentleman von belcher shot and killed his girlfriend this morning. he than drove to arrowhead stadium where he killed himself in front of his coach and general manager. elizabeth prann live from atlanta with more on this very s
that is president obama's lead negotiator in the fiscal cliff talks. it's all happening tomorrow on fox news sunday. check your local listings for the time and channel in your area. >> rick: speak of the president, we could soon be learning who he wants to have serve in his administration in his second term. source telling fox news, a slate of nominations could be coming this month and that would likely include a replacement for the defense secretary, leon panetta, and if that does...
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be negotiation, will probably end up somewhere in between. i don't understand why we can't raise tax rates on the top 1% of people if we're going to get to a balanced plan. why should the middle class pay more when we have people at the top who can pay more. >> okay. your experience as cbo director and elsewhere. the argument is being made that capping deductions whatever 25,000, 50,000, is that where the itemized deductions are, it's the upper end people who will pay for that, and that produces revenues without damaging the economic incentives, the economic growth effect of tax rate incentives. now i want to ask you, objectively, is it possible that it will affect the upper end income people without affecting the tax rate. >> you can get there. the president's budget has $600 billion raised that way. what's frustrating about this is the republicans could have gone back with a specified plan. they knew that was a nonstarter. they did what the president asked. they made a m. they put out a plan that isn't their first choice. the white house sa
be negotiation, will probably end up somewhere in between. i don't understand why we can't raise tax rates on the top 1% of people if we're going to get to a balanced plan. why should the middle class pay more when we have people at the top who can pay more. >> okay. your experience as cbo director and elsewhere. the argument is being made that capping deductions whatever 25,000, 50,000, is that where the itemized deductions are, it's the upper end people who will pay for that, and that...
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two of president obama's top fiscal negotiators are scheduled to meet with lawmakers on capitol hill. an increasing number of republicans say they are willing to give ground on higher tax revenue, but spending cuts are still a sticking point. if the two parties can't agree, tax rates will go up for all americans on january 1. and the owners of two winning powerball tickets get the pleasure of sharing the second larnest jackpot in u.s. history. the ticket to the whopping $588 million prize, sold in arizona and missouri. if you haven't had a chance to check your tickets, the wing numbers are: 5, 16, 22, 23 and 29. and the power ball number is 6. i'm ainsley earhardt. thanks for watching fox. on the " >> greta: alarms are going off among some conservatives in president obama's second term, his liberal supporters are calling for income redistribution. who's doing that and how do they hope to make that happen and can they? byron york just wrote about that, along with the rest of our political panel. byron, you wrote the article. >> there's been a lot of talk during the campaign that presid
two of president obama's top fiscal negotiators are scheduled to meet with lawmakers on capitol hill. an increasing number of republicans say they are willing to give ground on higher tax revenue, but spending cuts are still a sticking point. if the two parties can't agree, tax rates will go up for all americans on january 1. and the owners of two winning powerball tickets get the pleasure of sharing the second larnest jackpot in u.s. history. the ticket to the whopping $588 million prize, sold...
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that poses an issue or problem for obama administration. all of this in front of a world or at least 138 countries that were looking at this. they are saying get your act together. more left or right wing, disinterested fatigued world that no longer cares about the israeli-palestinian issue leaves the issue as the devices of the israelis and palestinians. that hasn't yielded any results. >> shannon: pinkus thank you for your time today. >> thank you. some thought the fight over healthcare was over but not so fast. supreme court breathes life to challenge of the healthcare law. that is coming up. arizona governor jan brewer facing another lawsuit. we will tell you who is suing and why next. [ whistle blows ] hi victor! mom? i know you got to go in a minute but this is a real quick me, that's perfect for two! campbell's chunky beef with country vegetables, poured over rice! [ male announcer ] campbell's chunky soup. it fills you up right. but i'm still stubbed up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't unstuff your nose. what? [ male ann
that poses an issue or problem for obama administration. all of this in front of a world or at least 138 countries that were looking at this. they are saying get your act together. more left or right wing, disinterested fatigued world that no longer cares about the israeli-palestinian issue leaves the issue as the devices of the israelis and palestinians. that hasn't yielded any results. >> shannon: pinkus thank you for your time today. >> thank you. some thought the fight over...
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the democrats and some in the press called that a failed negotiation. they didn't finish the sentence. we failed to raise taxes to let the government spend more money. >> but we still were running trillion-dollar deficits. >> yes, the government is spending too much money, and unfortunately, obama has committed to spending more money. he has a trillion -- there's $1 trillion of tax increases baked into the cake because of obama's 20 taxes in obamacare. 90% of those tax increases that obama put into obamacare were conveniently put in to take effect after he got re-elected to the presidency. so there a massive tidal wave of obama tax increases coming at the american people, starting in january. has nothing to do with the fisc fiscal cliff. but it has everything to do with obamacare. >> now, it is true that a lot of those taxes did take place after the election. that's something we pointed out and is a fair point. but let me just ask you about the compromise we have to go to. because like i said, again, to get this done, taxes are -- i mean, they're going
the democrats and some in the press called that a failed negotiation. they didn't finish the sentence. we failed to raise taxes to let the government spend more money. >> but we still were running trillion-dollar deficits. >> yes, the government is spending too much money, and unfortunately, obama has committed to spending more money. he has a trillion -- there's $1 trillion of tax increases baked into the cake because of obama's 20 taxes in obamacare. 90% of those tax increases...
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>>> president obama makes his opening bid in the debt negotiations -- >> last call. 1,200. >> -- but republicans are not buying. >> would the gentleman please cooperate. >> what will it take to bring the two sides together to avoid the fiscal cliff? judd gregg and ed rendell will join us the co-chairs of the fix the debt campaign. >> venture capital fund behind clout. third hour of "squawk box" will begin right now. ♪ ♪ i have never seen anyone looking so fine ♪ >>> welcome back to "squawk box" here on cnbc. first in business worldwide. i'm joe kernan along with becky quick and steve liesman. andrew ross sorkin is being waited on right now by staff somewhere in a third world country. guest host this morning, 1 percenters do when on vacation. our guest this morning, even at ceo has not been treated -- served like this, i don't think. larry, former chairman and ceo of honeywell and cnbc contributor. more from larry in just a minute. steve has your headlines. did you hear about this place? >> i didn't hear about it. i really want to know. you vice president told me in the break an
>>> president obama makes his opening bid in the debt negotiations -- >> last call. 1,200. >> -- but republicans are not buying. >> would the gentleman please cooperate. >> what will it take to bring the two sides together to avoid the fiscal cliff? judd gregg and ed rendell will join us the co-chairs of the fix the debt campaign. >> venture capital fund behind clout. third hour of "squawk box" will begin right now. ♪ ♪ i have never seen...
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>> it is interesting if you look at the negotiations that president obama offered this massive tax increase with no concessions and this sort of outrageous request on the debt limit which was a really aggressive first offer. and then the republican s countered with a moderate reasonable plan exactly modeled after a proposal by erskine bowles. so if you're trying to handicap the negotiations, you'd have to concede that dana is on to something. >> really. so -- >> at least like the starting point. so basically the starting point for the republicans is what president obama probably would have viewed as a victory if they had the negotiation. >> yeah, he wanted another 400 supposed supposedly. how does simpson-bowles get to -- how does it raise revenue? what's the number that it raises? >> well, it depends because they have a bunch of different simpson-bowles plans. like in the bowles-simpson report, there are three different tax plans and then the thing that the republicans modeled after was something that bowles said in a hearing. >> it's interesting when you look at what these plans are laid
>> it is interesting if you look at the negotiations that president obama offered this massive tax increase with no concessions and this sort of outrageous request on the debt limit which was a really aggressive first offer. and then the republican s countered with a moderate reasonable plan exactly modeled after a proposal by erskine bowles. so if you're trying to handicap the negotiations, you'd have to concede that dana is on to something. >> really. so -- >> at least like...
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. >> it does feel like there is some negotiating going on behind the scenes here. we are told that president obama and speaker john boehner on the republican side of the capitol had a conference call yesterday about 20, 28 minutes in length. we don't know what was said. that's probably a good sign they are not leaking the contents of that call. that's a sign that there is some negotiation going on. something is happening behind the scenes but we just don't know what it is right now. back to you. >> eamon javers, thank you very much. >>> what can be done to break the stalemate in washington? representative jack kingston is a republican from georgia, member of the house appropriations committee. welcome, congressman. good to have you with us. >> thank you, tyler. >> we had the images yesterday of congress leaving for a long weekend. i have to say that it struck an awful lot of us as very poor sort of pr, very bad optics, if you want to use that term. you're still there in washington. why? and what do you think about the fact that congress went home? >> well, i'm actu
. >> it does feel like there is some negotiating going on behind the scenes here. we are told that president obama and speaker john boehner on the republican side of the capitol had a conference call yesterday about 20, 28 minutes in length. we don't know what was said. that's probably a good sign they are not leaking the contents of that call. that's a sign that there is some negotiation going on. something is happening behind the scenes but we just don't know what it is right now. back...
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needing the approval of the house was the senate to raise the nation's spending limit, president barack obama wants to do this all by his lonesome, a blank check. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation which, by the way, we've never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. > >> sean: in this country historically it's been up to you, the individual and the government, to create a better life for the next generation. that means your kids, that means your grand kids. well, apparently under this president with all the spending, with all this debt, well, that has changed and maybe republicans should let the president go over the cliff. maybe they should call his bluff. now is the time that republicans should stick up for the next generation and the kids of the next generation. maybe republicans should explain all of this by saying they're looking out for the future of america. they don't want america to go bankrupt. maybe they sho
needing the approval of the house was the senate to raise the nation's spending limit, president barack obama wants to do this all by his lonesome, a blank check. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation which, by the way, we've never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. > >> sean: in this country historically...
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to consider this strategy. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to dell creting votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which, by the way, we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> well, i wonder, the president's saying, steve, that, you know what, we can raise rates now and maybe lower them later next year so republicans are now saying we can raise rates now. maybe we'll lower them later and we'll talk about it during the debt ceiling. now he's saying no, we're not going to talk about it then either. when would we have this debate when we were renaming post offices in july? can you clarify something for people that are watching? republicans are talking about raising taxes on the rich. and john boehner said that yesterday. we're talking about raising taxes on the rich. we're just not talking about raising the top marginal rate, right? i mean, both sides are now talking about raising taxes on the rich, just two different ways. >> yeah, i think that was an
to consider this strategy. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to dell creting votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which, by the way, we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> well, i wonder, the president's saying, steve, that, you know what, we can raise rates now and maybe lower them later next year so republicans are now saying we can raise...
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. >> president obama got his wish, rather than negotiating with republicans he was hamering them. back on the campaign trail in a factory that makes angry bird toys. >> it's not accept to believe me and i don't think it's acceptable for you for republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage because they don't want the tax rates on the upper income folks to go up. >> within minutes, john boehner fired back the talks are on life support. >> let's not kid ourselves. >> boehner ripped the president for sending treasury secretary ti tim geithner to capitol hill with a proposal that led mitch mcconnell literally burst out laughing. >> the white house took three weeks to respond with any kind of proposal. and much to my disappointment, it wasn't a serious one. >> their beef is the president campaigned on $800 billion in tax increases by ending the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. but is now proposing double that. $1.6 trillion. by adding tax hikes on dividends and capital gains. plus, the white house wants $50 billion in new spending next term alone in long term deal about c
. >> president obama got his wish, rather than negotiating with republicans he was hamering them. back on the campaign trail in a factory that makes angry bird toys. >> it's not accept to believe me and i don't think it's acceptable for you for republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage because they don't want the tax rates on the upper income folks to go up. >> within minutes, john boehner fired back the talks are on life support. >> let's not kid...
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there's hope that the bacon soon return to the negotiating table. president obama called the house speaker to discuss ways to prevent huge tax increases and spending cuts in january. congress' joint economic committee will hold talks today. >> propofol hockey is returning to the verizon center for one night. tonight the admirals' of norfolk will play. -- professional hockey is returning. there are signs the ice could be thawing between players and owners. both sides sound optimistic the season can be salvaged. talks will continue today. the work stoppage has wiped out all games through december 14 as well as the new year's day winter classic and the all-star game. >> same-sex marriage licenses will be issued starting today and several maryland counties. couple will be able to get married starting on january 1. some counties that have confirmed they will begin issuing licenses today include anne arundel frederick, and montgomery. maryland maine, and washington became the first states to pass a same-sex marriage by popular vote. washington state same-
there's hope that the bacon soon return to the negotiating table. president obama called the house speaker to discuss ways to prevent huge tax increases and spending cuts in january. congress' joint economic committee will hold talks today. >> propofol hockey is returning to the verizon center for one night. tonight the admirals' of norfolk will play. -- professional hockey is returning. there are signs the ice could be thawing between players and owners. both sides sound optimistic the...
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obama's big meeting with some of those ceos. john? >> the other way the ceos are in the middle of this is the president appeared before the business roundtable today as part of his effort to continue rounding up support from various constituencies for what he calls a balanced approach. one of the things he pressed was a priority that the head of the business roundtable, john eng r engler, has suggested which is a longer term fix to the debt ceiling problem. remember that it was a catastrophic standoff in mid 2011 that caused the downgrade in u.s. credit. president said he's simply not going to negotiate in the negotiating process that results in the same kind of stand-off. here is the president. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation? which, by the way, we have never done in our history until we did it last year. i will not play that game because we've got to break that habit before it starts. >> so w
obama's big meeting with some of those ceos. john? >> the other way the ceos are in the middle of this is the president appeared before the business roundtable today as part of his effort to continue rounding up support from various constituencies for what he calls a balanced approach. one of the things he pressed was a priority that the head of the business roundtable, john eng r engler, has suggested which is a longer term fix to the debt ceiling problem. remember that it was a...
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then negotiations fail president obama will not get blamed. it is someone else. >> gretchen: marjorie that sounds right other than the middle class getting hit with a tax hike isn't everything that ron just part of the dnc. >> it is it a big issue. president obama and really american people don't want to see middle class americans pay additional 2000 in taxes n which is what will happen in addition to cuts to programs . we want to cut and the american people want to see cut. there is it a few things. first more americans would blame the republicans and not president obama if we went off of the fiscal cliff. that is a motivation. >> brian: yeah. >> gretchen: ron, why do they feel that way? >> brian:ip totally agree with you. looking at polls and say republicans will get blamed and so why not runuss off of the cliff. >> republicans should have their own plan. the majority of americans in exit polls have said we should balance and ask the wealthiest to pay more. >> gretchen: wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. ron. that's not true. nothing is going to
then negotiations fail president obama will not get blamed. it is someone else. >> gretchen: marjorie that sounds right other than the middle class getting hit with a tax hike isn't everything that ron just part of the dnc. >> it is it a big issue. president obama and really american people don't want to see middle class americans pay additional 2000 in taxes n which is what will happen in addition to cuts to programs . we want to cut and the american people want to see cut. there...
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new developments tonight in the fiscal cliff negotiations. republicans are pushing back hard. against president obama and the democrats over what will be in whatever deal they craft to avoid the implementation of the automatic spending cuths and tax increases. chief white house correspondent ed henry is live with details. good evening, ed. >> tonight we have new details of exactly what treasury secretary geithner laid out to republicans in the big meeting earlier today is. the republican aides tell mike emanuel there was a lot of detail about the new tax increases. $1.6 trillion in new tax increases from the new rate, capital gain, dividends as well. new spending, starting with $50 billion next year. the white house is countering that is leftover stuff from the president american jobs act. not really spending. nonetheless, the republican aides on the hill saying this is a nonstarter to them. white house aide i just spoke to said that this is not new. this is the president's original budget framework going to september of 2011. they say inside the white house tonight the real p
new developments tonight in the fiscal cliff negotiations. republicans are pushing back hard. against president obama and the democrats over what will be in whatever deal they craft to avoid the implementation of the automatic spending cuths and tax increases. chief white house correspondent ed henry is live with details. good evening, ed. >> tonight we have new details of exactly what treasury secretary geithner laid out to republicans in the big meeting earlier today is. the republican...
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president obama insists that's a nonstarter. he shared his message with rich folks at the business round table. he told them they could handle paying more in taxes. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in any way that will affect your spending, your lifestyles, or the economy in any significant way. >> business round table is a lobby group made up of some of the country's biggest ceos, ceos of some of the country's bigg gt companies. if you don't know what the fiscal cliff is, you've probably been living under a rock. i found this explanation. this is mr. burns from the simpsons. >> think of the economy as a car and the rich man is the driver. if you don't give the driver all the money, he'll drive you over a cliff. it is just -- >> what actually will happen if america does head toward that fiscal cliff? and go over it even temporarily? cnn money's jean zahadi has been on this story from the very beginning. here is the question at hand. a lot of people are saying, what happe
president obama insists that's a nonstarter. he shared his message with rich folks at the business round table. he told them they could handle paying more in taxes. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in any way that will affect your spending, your lifestyles, or the economy in any significant way. >> business round table is a lobby group made up of some of the country's biggest ceos, ceos of some of the country's bigg gt...
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table. >> reporter: it's been 16 days since president obama and congressional leaders met to talk about how to avoid the fiscal cliff. the automatic spending cuts and tack increases that begin to kick in if there's no agreement by january 1st. 16 days to get here. >> i think we're far apart still, but i think we're moving closer together. >> i would say we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. >> reporter: thursday treasury secretary timothy geithner proposed president obama's plan which included $1.6 trillion in tax revenue coming largely from an expiration of bush era tax cuts for families who make more than $250,000 a year. geithner says that's a must. >> there's not going to be an agreement without rates going up. >> reporter: the administration's plan also included $50 billion in new stimulus spending. boehner says the entire proposal represented three weeks of wasted time. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. >> reporter: the house speaker says republicans have put increased revenues, including efforts to close tax loopholes and reform the tax c
table. >> reporter: it's been 16 days since president obama and congressional leaders met to talk about how to avoid the fiscal cliff. the automatic spending cuts and tack increases that begin to kick in if there's no agreement by january 1st. 16 days to get here. >> i think we're far apart still, but i think we're moving closer together. >> i would say we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. >> reporter: thursday treasury secretary timothy geithner proposed president...
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to steal a little from krystal, it appears it's obama and boehner one on one. there's no i in team but there's one in win, which is why the fiscal slope negotiations are getting serious. we haven't heard yet from the president but have heard from speaker boehner. >> this isn't a progress report, because there's no progress to report. the white house has wasted another week. it's time for the president, if he's serious, to come back to us with a counteroffer. >> to further explain the nature here, we welcome you to movie metaphor club. today we clinic the fiscal slope talks to a seen from the sublime 1994 film "pulp fiction." in this diner theme we have samuel jackson's jewels in a tense tango by two small timers. >> nobody is going to hurt anybody. we're going to be like three little fonzis here. what's he like, yolanda? >> cool. >> what? >> cool. >> correct. thats what we're going to be. we're going to be cool. >> that's great. >> this is the financial whatever you want to call it in a nut shell. obama is jewels, boehner is pumpkin and the tea party is yolanda
to steal a little from krystal, it appears it's obama and boehner one on one. there's no i in team but there's one in win, which is why the fiscal slope negotiations are getting serious. we haven't heard yet from the president but have heard from speaker boehner. >> this isn't a progress report, because there's no progress to report. the white house has wasted another week. it's time for the president, if he's serious, to come back to us with a counteroffer. >> to further explain...
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. >> bret: this is a different president obama than in the debt ceiling negotiations. last time around. they are clearly signals that they have the stronger hand. and they are not -- it doesn't even seem like they are getting to a room. >> yeah. >> bret: to negotiate. >> they feel like they have the stronger hand because he won re-election an every pole shows most americans are fine with the tax rates going up on people making more than $250,000. so they feel like they have that on their side. what they also have on their side the president you can't forget did give in on this issue twice. in the last time he gave in on it he said never again. so that is what is hanging over him. he has his base looking at him saying you gave in on this two times. it's now time to live up to your word. so he is kind of boxed in, in a way politically as well that he has to give this. i agree with charles. you can get the money a different way. i don't think they are going to compromise on that. >> bret: is the base just looking for the scalp of the rates, instead of the money? >> yes. >
. >> bret: this is a different president obama than in the debt ceiling negotiations. last time around. they are clearly signals that they have the stronger hand. and they are not -- it doesn't even seem like they are getting to a room. >> yeah. >> bret: to negotiate. >> they feel like they have the stronger hand because he won re-election an every pole shows most americans are fine with the tax rates going up on people making more than $250,000. so they feel like they...
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i've done enough negotiations in business to understand who is negotiating in good faith wlorks is moving the goal posts. i think it's time right now for president obama to show the american people his full balanced plan. we haven't seen it. democrats haven't passed a budget in over three years. there's not one democrat that has voted for a plan yet. until republicans see the plan from the president, from democrats, it's very difficult for us to be compromising if anything. right now we're just negotiating with ourselves. that's really a pretty bad negotiating strategy. we should stop doing that, we should be talking about not playing brinkmanship. what we should do is extend all the current rates permanently. that would return certainty to the economy. it would restore confidence. and that's probably the biggest thing we need to do to grow our economy. let's quit having these fiscal cliffs. and let's not be threatening government shut downs. let's sit down in a good faith effort and that's what president obama is not doing. he's back on the campaign trail which will is unfortunate. he sh
i've done enough negotiations in business to understand who is negotiating in good faith wlorks is moving the goal posts. i think it's time right now for president obama to show the american people his full balanced plan. we haven't seen it. democrats haven't passed a budget in over three years. there's not one democrat that has voted for a plan yet. until republicans see the plan from the president, from democrats, it's very difficult for us to be compromising if anything. right now we're just...
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the negotiations to avert that descended into name calling today. yesterday the obama administration proposed tax revenue increases of $1.6 trillion over ten years, guaranteed to anger republicans. and it did. ewatt andrews is on capitol hill for us tonight. wyatt? >> reporter: scott, leading republicans are now calling the president's latest fiscal cliff proposals-- and these are quotes-- "unreasonable, not serious even ludicrous." on the negotiations that are necessary to avoid the cliff, here's how house speaker john boehner described the status there. >> no, there's a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. i'm not trying to make this more difficult. >> reporter: what set off this reaction was the president's proposal for $1.6 trillion in new taxes over ten years with tst of that coming from a tax hike on single americans making hire than $200,000 and married couples filing jointly making $250,000. boehner has hinted that republicans might raise half of that, $800 billion, but only by reducing tax loopholes. >> getting rid of special interest deduct
the negotiations to avert that descended into name calling today. yesterday the obama administration proposed tax revenue increases of $1.6 trillion over ten years, guaranteed to anger republicans. and it did. ewatt andrews is on capitol hill for us tonight. wyatt? >> reporter: scott, leading republicans are now calling the president's latest fiscal cliff proposals-- and these are quotes-- "unreasonable, not serious even ludicrous." on the negotiations that are necessary to...
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so we need to get credit for that and these negotiations that take place. >> so democrats want credit for cutting a billion dollars when -- >> he meant a trillion dollars. >> and obama has put together a deal that proposes more spending, 400 billion in unspecified cuts that will be named later apparently. i thought the president wanted a balanced package. what's balanced about 4:1 tax hikes to spending cuts? >> well, first let me say harry misspoke. he meant that they've already done a trillion dollars in cuts in the last resolution and those play out over the next ten years. and that's correct. that's a fact. and the president has said consistently both on the campaign trail and after the election that he's for something on the lines of simpson-bowles which is at least 2.5:1 spending cuts to taxes. and i think he laid out the 400 and then said to the republicans you bring me other cuts and i'll consider them. and i think he understands that there will be significantly more spending cuts including on entitlements than there are taxes. >> so this is an opening point. >> an opening gamb
so we need to get credit for that and these negotiations that take place. >> so democrats want credit for cutting a billion dollars when -- >> he meant a trillion dollars. >> and obama has put together a deal that proposes more spending, 400 billion in unspecified cuts that will be named later apparently. i thought the president wanted a balanced package. what's balanced about 4:1 tax hikes to spending cuts? >> well, first let me say harry misspoke. he meant that they've...
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obama. he has asked that senate leaders and house minority leader nancy pelosi be excluded from future talks. and clearing a negotiating room improves the chances for success. just 25 minutes from now the closely watched monthly unemployment report will be released for november. coming up at 5:15 what economists say the numbers released this morning don't accurately reflect the current jobs market. >>> time now 5:05. reports an oakland church youth group visiting florida today is out of money and their belongings because thieves broke into their van. a group of 24 teenagers and young adults were eating at a restaurant yesterday. about an hour after arriving for a weekend youth conference. they are saying thieves broke into their van, stole $12,000 cash. one member of the group was able to have money wired to them so they at least spent last night in a hotel. there is no word yet if this group plans to come back to oakland today. >>> funeral services will be held this weekend for two teenage
obama. he has asked that senate leaders and house minority leader nancy pelosi be excluded from future talks. and clearing a negotiating room improves the chances for success. just 25 minutes from now the closely watched monthly unemployment report will be released for november. coming up at 5:15 what economists say the numbers released this morning don't accurately reflect the current jobs market. >>> time now 5:05. reports an oakland church youth group visiting florida today is out...
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president obama sent his top negotiator to the treasury secretary. tim geithner to capitol hill today. he met with leaders of both parties. republicans say they made no progress. and surprise, each party blames the other. >> the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. and, secondly, no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> republicans know where we stand. we have said it, we have said it, we have said it so many times the president said the same thing. it's been weeks, at least two weeks since we met at the white house and are still waiting for a serious offer from the republics. >> shepard: after his meeting with secretary geithner the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell said of administration officials quote today they took a step backward moving away from consensus and closer to that cliff. ed henry is live at the white house for us tonight. ed we are getting new information about what tim geithner put on the table today at the hill. >> breaking toni
president obama sent his top negotiator to the treasury secretary. tim geithner to capitol hill today. he met with leaders of both parties. republicans say they made no progress. and surprise, each party blames the other. >> the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. and, secondly, no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> republicans know where we stand. we have said it, we have said it,...
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part of the negotiations to avoid that fiscal cliff, he made that offer to president obama that includes $800 billion in tax revenue. he wants to overhaul the entire tax code, close loopholes, things like that. he's waiting for a response from the president. listen to what he said. >> you know, this week we made a got faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis and that offer included significant spending cuts and reforms and it included additional revenue. and, frankly, it was the balanced approach that the president has been asking for. now we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> okay. let's talk about that response from the white house. dan loatthian has been covering that story for us. will it be forthcoming? >> reporter: they did get that offer and the response from the white house was, quote, magic beings and fairy dust. that's how he feels about that. you heard him repeat that in the bloomberg television interview. there is no deal unless taxes go up on wealthiest americans. that's the message that you will hear from the president as
part of the negotiations to avoid that fiscal cliff, he made that offer to president obama that includes $800 billion in tax revenue. he wants to overhaul the entire tax code, close loopholes, things like that. he's waiting for a response from the president. listen to what he said. >> you know, this week we made a got faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis and that offer included significant spending cuts and reforms and it included additional revenue. and, frankly, it was the balanced...
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couldn't boehner have made a real legacy that said i accept the debt deal that obama and i are negotiating which is essentially his opening offer now? wouldn't that have been the legacy that he could have rested his hat on? >> it would have been interesting. he essentially attempted to be a representative of his caucus rather than a leader of his caucus. >> exactly. >> it would have been interesting. i think he could have either been a great leader or burned and gone -- been taken down. it was a 50/50 proposition. >> all right. matt lewis, thank you so much. >> thank you, matt. >> fascinating. incredible read, "herding cats." >>> still ahead -- it's just cruel. i felt bat readid reading it. you know where i stand. >> cures cancer. >> let's see. >> okay. >>> coming up, we're going to bring in republican congressman tom cole who broke ranks with his party over the tax debate last week. can't wait to talk to him and get his insights. also, we'll be talking foreign policy with national security adviser dr. brzezinski. keep it right here on "morning joe." music is a universal language. but when
couldn't boehner have made a real legacy that said i accept the debt deal that obama and i are negotiating which is essentially his opening offer now? wouldn't that have been the legacy that he could have rested his hat on? >> it would have been interesting. he essentially attempted to be a representative of his caucus rather than a leader of his caucus. >> exactly. >> it would have been interesting. i think he could have either been a great leader or burned and gone -- been...
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barak obama got zero votes for obamacare and that's unprecedented. then you come to the summer of 2011, you had the big super committee over deficit reduction. basically trying to negotiate the same thing they are now and that collapsed. it seems to me that barak obama is someone a president, surprisingly enough, who just does not know how to negotiate a political deal with the other side. >> steve: you're absolutely right. he doesn't want to make a deal. he's less monty burns from the simpsons where he's trying to extract and exact political pain on the republicans. >> i think it's a combination of arrogance. he may be the most arrogant person who ever sat in the oval office. a combination of that and inexperience and if you put those two combinations together, you get someone who is so confident in his own point of view, his own position that he can't recognize any validity in the other person's point of view. >> steve: we've talked to a number of people who say, you know, the president could be overplaying his hands. he thinks he's got all the car
barak obama got zero votes for obamacare and that's unprecedented. then you come to the summer of 2011, you had the big super committee over deficit reduction. basically trying to negotiate the same thing they are now and that collapsed. it seems to me that barak obama is someone a president, surprisingly enough, who just does not know how to negotiate a political deal with the other side. >> steve: you're absolutely right. he doesn't want to make a deal. he's less monty burns from the...
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. >>> president obama dispatched his chief negotiator to capitol hill to work on a deal to avoid the "fiscal cliff." today treasury secretary tim geithner met with house and senate leaders. republicans came out of that meeting saying that the white house needs to get serious about spending cuts. >> it's time for the president, congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they are really willing to make. >> let's give a christmas present to the american people. and all we're saying is, we're willing to make the cuts. >> coming needs to reach an agreement in the next few weeks in order to avoid a series of automatic tax hikes and spending cuts in january. >>> oh, to be a fly on the wall on this one. president obama and mitt romney met privately at the white house today to chew over the nation's economic issues. it was the first time they have been together face to face since their contentious campaigns. cbs reporter tara mergener on the political power lunch. >> reporter: mitt romney got out of an suv and walked into the white house alone. the former republica
. >>> president obama dispatched his chief negotiator to capitol hill to work on a deal to avoid the "fiscal cliff." today treasury secretary tim geithner met with house and senate leaders. republicans came out of that meeting saying that the white house needs to get serious about spending cuts. >> it's time for the president, congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they are really willing to make. >> let's give a christmas present...
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a tax cut, and president obama gets to negotiate a tax cut with republicans, a lot more fun and easier to do than tax increases. i don't know they get more leverage in the new year with the possible exception that the fact that, you know, the debt ceiling will loom again, hitting that debt ceiling giving republicans some leverage down the road, but in the short term, you're right, the leverage goes more to president obama right now. >> i have fiscal cliff fatigue. thank you very much. >> sure. tracy: we all do, dennis, but we have to talk about it because congress has to deal with it. we have a new gallup poll showing 5 # 4% of the voters rate the honesty of members of congress below that of used car salesmen. dianne black of tennessee joins us from the home state to hear what the constituents are telling her. what are con constituents sayin? >> well, you know, i'm hearing -oth from my individual constituents and business owners they are really concerned about the spending problem in washington. that's not really talked about. there's a lot of focus on the other side, but there is a re
a tax cut, and president obama gets to negotiate a tax cut with republicans, a lot more fun and easier to do than tax increases. i don't know they get more leverage in the new year with the possible exception that the fact that, you know, the debt ceiling will loom again, hitting that debt ceiling giving republicans some leverage down the road, but in the short term, you're right, the leverage goes more to president obama right now. >> i have fiscal cliff fatigue. thank you very much....
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. >> reporter: republicans say it's clear to them that president obama is not serious about negotiating. reporting live from washington, d.c., alison burns, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> 8:17. we asked some people in the bay area whether they think the president and congress will reach an agreement on the fiscal cliff by the end of the year. >> they both have this position that they are not willing to back down from. i don't think they will reach it. >> i'm hoping and praying that they do come together. >> i think this is all kind of a shadow dance that's going on and i'm not sure exactly what's going on in the background. but i think the whole fiscal cliff is wildly exaggerated. >> a pew washington post poll shows more americans think the president and congress will not come to an agreement on how to avoid the fiscal cliff by the end of the year. 49% to 40%. >>> although the nhl season is still on ice, hockey will return to the hp pavilion in san jose. that's because the minor league will play a game december 17th there. they will take on the stockton thunder. the sharks say their season ti
. >> reporter: republicans say it's clear to them that president obama is not serious about negotiating. reporting live from washington, d.c., alison burns, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> 8:17. we asked some people in the bay area whether they think the president and congress will reach an agreement on the fiscal cliff by the end of the year. >> they both have this position that they are not willing to back down from. i don't think they will reach it. >> i'm hoping and...
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the obama administration's fiscal cliff is apparently hysterically bad, but senator mitch mcconnell burst into laughter upon hearing this. we'll sort through the plan. plus a lesson from president ronald reagan on why republicans should be hesitant to take the president and the democrats at their word when it comes to any deal. and why is dianne feinstein exploring of possibility of housing gitmo terrorists in a neighborhood near you? we'll examine the likelihood of this nutty proposal. with the spark cash card from capital one, olaf gets great rewards for his small business! pizza! [ garth ] olaf's small busins earns 2% cash back on every purchase, ery day! helium delivery. put it on my spark card! [ pop! ] [ garth ] why settle for less? great businesses deserve great rewards! awesome!!! [ male announcer ] the spark business card from capital one. choose unlimited rewards with 2% cash back or double miles on every purchase, every day! what's in your wallet? [ male announcer ] jill and her mouth have lived a great life. but she has some dental issues she's not happy about. so i introduced
the obama administration's fiscal cliff is apparently hysterically bad, but senator mitch mcconnell burst into laughter upon hearing this. we'll sort through the plan. plus a lesson from president ronald reagan on why republicans should be hesitant to take the president and the democrats at their word when it comes to any deal. and why is dianne feinstein exploring of possibility of housing gitmo terrorists in a neighborhood near you? we'll examine the likelihood of this nutty proposal. with...
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coming up the one issue where president obama is refusing to budge in those fiscal cliff negotiations. >>> right now 5:07. we want to check back in with tara who is in for sal. definitely wet roads out there. >> reporter: we do have an accident to report. this is a big rig verses a small pickup truck and an ambulance is on the way. we understand there are injuries involved. here it is right here. 880 northbound near the grand avenue exit. we had somebody needs an ambulance basically. we are keeping an eye on it. all right. up next we will take a live look at 280 in san jose. you can see traffic is actually flowing nicely in both directions. and it's 5:08 let's check in with steve. >> thank you tara. >>> our system is finally moving. this is the last one. it cannot hold a candle to the three that came in before. i will show you rain totals in a second. light rain, drizzle, fog, cloudy. once in awhile moderate rain falls. our system the most amounts were left in the north bay. quarter to an inch of rain. lighter amounts will be south. might get little enhancement. there is not much of a
coming up the one issue where president obama is refusing to budge in those fiscal cliff negotiations. >>> right now 5:07. we want to check back in with tara who is in for sal. definitely wet roads out there. >> reporter: we do have an accident to report. this is a big rig verses a small pickup truck and an ambulance is on the way. we understand there are injuries involved. here it is right here. 880 northbound near the grand avenue exit. we had somebody needs an ambulance...
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. >> among the top leaders of congress involved in fiscal cliff negotiations, the one facing the most home state pressure may be senate republican leader mitch mcconnell. he faces re-election in kentucky, a state where the tea party movement is alive and well. president obama may have won this election but two years ago leaders of the tea party movement elected ron paul's son rand as kentucky senator over an establishment republican. one leader of that movement who runs a high-end audio equipment business says they could do the same thing in 2014, and this time take out mitch mcconnell if he agrees to raise taxes. >> we shall not raise taxes in this country. we do not have a revenue problem. i would like senator mcconnell to recognize that the washington leaders are like a bunch of crack addicts. they need evermore money for evermore growing government and it is at the expense of the ordinary citizen that they pursue these policies. >> reporter: but the brighter those lines are drawn, the harder it will be to get a deal. owen williams worked more than 20 years on wall street. now he r
. >> among the top leaders of congress involved in fiscal cliff negotiations, the one facing the most home state pressure may be senate republican leader mitch mcconnell. he faces re-election in kentucky, a state where the tea party movement is alive and well. president obama may have won this election but two years ago leaders of the tea party movement elected ron paul's son rand as kentucky senator over an establishment republican. one leader of that movement who runs a high-end audio...
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mabel the phone conversation with obama was a little more terse. we went from being down 100 to up 100. we haven't had that kind of swing in over a year. we are laser focused on d.c. and those negotiations as usual. >> brian brings up 2.7 number, steve rattner. i guess you look at the numbers and you compare them to where we were at points in the '80s, the '90s, even 2004, 2005. it may not look good. compare that number to the rest of the world, suddenly the u.s. economy is looking pretty damn good by comparison to other countries. >> it actually feels like the economy is gathering steam. these kind of revisions help you feel that way. sandy is an aberration in the unemployment numbers as brian said. essentially we look at housing, consumer spending. the economy is on a pretty good track. the question is whether we go over the cliff at the end. >> joe, i just will say, there's kind of an underlying sense that if we get the right deal -- and i think all of us sort of know what that includes, that we are kind of spring-loaded for serious growth. the
mabel the phone conversation with obama was a little more terse. we went from being down 100 to up 100. we haven't had that kind of swing in over a year. we are laser focused on d.c. and those negotiations as usual. >> brian brings up 2.7 number, steve rattner. i guess you look at the numbers and you compare them to where we were at points in the '80s, the '90s, even 2004, 2005. it may not look good. compare that number to the rest of the world, suddenly the u.s. economy is looking pretty...
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president obama continues to insist any deal must include a tax break increase on the top 2% of wage earners, which republicans, we well know, just as firmly insist, that is a nonstarter in these cliff negotiations. another element to this fight now, which is important, is the debt ceiling. it's likely the country will come up against that marker again early next year, laying the groundwork for another potentially bitter, bruising, and damaging battle between congress and the white house. we know how well that went last summer when we filed a debt ceiling fight. the proposal offered by treasury secretary timothy geithner last week to republicans would change the rules as it relates to the debt ceiling, giving more power to the president and making it harder for congress to block a debt ceiling increase in the future. the president clearly wants to take the threat of this continued fight on the debt ceiling off the table. listen to the president yesterday. >> if congress, in any way, suggests they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, and take us to the brink of default
president obama continues to insist any deal must include a tax break increase on the top 2% of wage earners, which republicans, we well know, just as firmly insist, that is a nonstarter in these cliff negotiations. another element to this fight now, which is important, is the debt ceiling. it's likely the country will come up against that marker again early next year, laying the groundwork for another potentially bitter, bruising, and damaging battle between congress and the white house. we...